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15 comments:

  1. Bernard C, 6. June 2019, 6:38

    The Court supports the fact the Council’s community consultation process is a joke at best.

     
  2. Concerned Wellingtonian, 6. June 2019, 7:23

    This shows what damage can be done by people who do not care about the rest of us.

     
  3. Tim Snadden, 6. June 2019, 8:59

    It’s unfortunate the headline implies that “Island Bay residents” lost. The IBRA are an anti cycleway group and don’t represent residents. [via twitter]

     
  4. Psychleway, 6. June 2019, 9:05

    “The Local Government Act does not impose on the Council an obligation to accede to the views of a majority of a community or the majority of any part of a community.” Wow, how is it misguided to think a decision might be based on a majority view? Why bother with any form of consultation in future? Hard to believe the council would put a preference on submissions from Wellington as a whole over the residents that this directly affects.

     
  5. TrevorH, 6. June 2019, 9:59

    “The Local Government Act does not impose on the Council an obligation to accede to the views of a majority of a community or the majority of any part of a community.” This is a dreadful ruling which undermines the basis of democracy. It should be challenged. It’s also a warning to take great care over those we elect to “represent” us.

     
  6. Andrew, 6. June 2019, 10:21

    This underlines how consultation is merely lip service; ticking boxes and feeling good. The fact there was extensive consultation that was then thrown out because of a new idea, that was not consulted on, proves this to be the case.

     
  7. luke, 6. June 2019, 11:24

    Next a ‘furious’ anticycleway IBRA will run for council vowing to remove the cycleway if elected mayor.

     
  8. Paul Bruce, 6. June 2019, 11:35

    Normally the majority view should prevail. However, councils should consider the arguments on their merits. Car drivers lost the freedom to travel at 60km/hr along a wide road, perhaps costing 20 to 30 seconds extra time driving, but allowing novice cyclists to feel protected, and helping to change a car centric culture. For me, that was a nett benefit.

     
  9. Heidi P, 6. June 2019, 11:47

    Councilors promise to represent our interests and when they are elected the charade continues.
    Councilors’ interests will be looking after the desires and agenda of the Corporation and other lobbying groups they listen to.

     
  10. Island Bay Healthy Streets, 6. June 2019, 13:07

    Although it may be largely symbolic, Wgtn CC has a duty to ratepayers to try & recover costs from the Island Bay Residents Association. There needs to be some accountability. As long as IBRA exists, they should be paying back the many thousands of dollars needlessly spent on this. They were warned they had no case. Their lawyer was warned. People donating to their hopeless cause were warned. They continued regardless. [via twitter]

     
  11. Dave O, 6. June 2019, 14:21

    All of those commenting that the court decision is wrong “because it ignores the majority” need to look at what good community consultation should entail. That is what the community as a whole wants.

    Island Bay at the last census (2013) had 8,526 residents. That means likely due to population growth we are now looking about 9-10000+ people living in the area. 2000 approx local submissions quoted above therefore can’t be described as “a majority” in an absolute sense, particularly as the survey wasn’t a randomised sample, but self selected. We all know that the vast bulk of formal submissions are likely to skew toward older, pakeha middle class property owning residents who use private cars as their main form of transport. The bulk of whom are unlikely to be future users of bike lanes. The younger, lower income renters and families with younger children, residents of Island Bay are very likely to be unrepresented in the 2000 submissions.

    In answer to the refrain “if you can’t be bothered voice an opinion then you don’t get to have a say” I would restate surely the purpose of community consultation is to find the view of the WHOLE community, not a vocal and potentially biased subsection. For full discussion on the survey this post is an excellent explanation.

     
  12. Check your maths. Here’s the correct figures:
    “the total percentage of all submitters opposed to the kerb-side design was 45 per cent.”
    para 20 at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h4q-45hdEFvos1t71tGD-9W1yVk2ux0m/view
    A minority of people submitting on the design wanted the old design. So the Council agreed with the majority view.

     
  13. Mequil, 6. June 2019, 16:39

    Of course the council doesn’t (and shouldn’t) have to do what the “majority” says. What if a local majority wanted a completely unaffordable gold plated solution which was going to cost the rest of ratepayers (who would not benefit from it) an exorbitant amount of money. Should this be forced on the council and everyone else? These local groups do not have a view of the wider picture or issues faced by the council, nor do they really care.

    Consultation is exactly that – asking the views of the impacted people and considering the views within the wider context of the project. I always laugh when I see these proformas that are submitted by groups thinking it’s a vote. Consultation doesn’t mean automatic agreement with your view.

    I too would like to see an example made of this group to deter the sense of entitlement in some parts of our community.

     
  14. Brendan, 6. June 2019, 18:37

    Thanks Patrick for giving us the link. What I find astonishing is the amount WCC is spending on cycleways. “Over the past decade, the Council’s budget for the implementation of the Urban Cycleways Programme has increased from $65,000 in 2008 to $20 million in 2018”.

    My maths makes the 2018 amount equal to $133 for everyone living in Wellington City. Now if we take your “1 in 3 people in Wellington are regular cyclists” statistic then the amount goes up to $400 per cyclist. So I think the one third ‘minority’ of regular cyclists in our community are certainly on a roll!

     
  15. Hemi, 11. June 2019, 15:06

    @Brendan – how do the equivalent figures work if you plug in WCC spending on roads?