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  1. K, 28. October 2020, 16:22

    There is an obvious solution to this which would also remove cross town traffic from central Wellington and also protect the city long term from the impact of sea level rise. It’s expensive, but would kill 3 birds with one stone.

  2. Dave B, 28. October 2020, 17:56

    “An industrial area right in the heart of the city”?, “The end of recreation in the inner harbour?”, “The end of sailing, rowing, ocean swimming and waka ama in the central city”?, “Wellington’s annual fireworks display at risk”?, . . .

    Scaremongering much! The Picton ferry terminal manages to co-exist with all these activities.

  3. Mike Mellor, 28. October 2020, 20:11

    Dave B: the Bluebridge ferry coexists with these activities, but not the Interislander. The new ferries will be twice the size of the current Interislanders, and with both ferry services in the inner harbour there will be at least twice the number of movements that there are now, with at least half of them being at least twice the size (and therefore much more susceptible to wind).

    I don’t know whether this will have the full effects described, but it will be a different ball game.

  4. Kevin Anderson, 29. October 2020, 9:43

    What is the situation if the ferries had extra powerful thrusters? If the thrusters are powerful enough could you override the wind when berthing?

  5. K, 29. October 2020, 11:03

    @Kevin Anderson: thrusters are no match for gale force winds from the south or north directly against the large flat sides of a ferry, especially the much larger ones being proposed – tugboats would be essential (and actually are fairly expensive to the ferry company when used each time to berth – at least they were when I worked for one of these companies).

  6. Keith Flinders, 29. October 2020, 11:27

    Thinking laterally in respect of the inner city location, why can’t the new KiwiRail berthing facilities be at right angles to that proposed. That is parallel with the south side of the container storage area. Granted such a location would not be as efficient land use wise when it comes to getting wagons, cars and trucks on/off.

    If parallel then the recreational use of that section of the inner harbour would be much less impacted. The reclaimed land in that area is only useful for storage use and transit use as we have seen in recent years.

  7. Mike Mellor, 29. October 2020, 12:56

    An inner-city location is clearly much better for passengers without vehicles (as the current Bluebridge terminal demonstrates), so if the new terminal is at Kaiwharawhara provision for foot passengers needs to be much better than now.

    There have been proposals to provide a link from the terminals to a station on the railway line, and that should be looked at seriously.

  8. Chris Calvi-Freeman, 29. October 2020, 13:06

    One word answer Keith: wind.

  9. Joe Worker, 29. October 2020, 14:13

    Has consideration been given to the hundreds of trucks and thousands of cars that would have to go to the new interislander site. There’s little room now. What of the rail freight – how will that get to the proposed new site; and the ferry shunting yard – again there’s very little space. Clogging one of the main routes into Wellington seems the worst thing to do. But I’d be happy to hear thoughts on where they expect to park all the trucks, trains, cars and campers.

  10. Keith Flinders, 29. October 2020, 19:27

    Chris: Observing the Bluebridge they only seen to get into strife in high winds after they turn towards the old overseas passenger terminal in readiness to reverse into the berth. Running parallel with the south side of the container storage area seems not to be an issue, but then I have never taken the helm of anything larger than a trailer sail boat.

  11. Chris Calvi-Freeman, 29. October 2020, 22:27

    Yes Joe, it’s madness! If all ferries used a new terminal at the Kaiwharawhara site, rail sidings are already available, and a new interchange could be built above the urban motorway, serving both the terminal and providing improved access to Ngaio Gorge, taking pressure off the existing traffic-lights controlled intersection at Ngauranga.

  12. Marty, 29. October 2020, 22:40

    Move the ferry to Mana. Faster and more comfortable cruise to the northern entrance of the Sounds. This would also mitigate earthquake associated risks to interisland traffic. Time to think ahead and big.

  13. Joe Worker, 30. October 2020, 6:44

    One problem with that Marty. The bar at the entrance to the inlet. No way could you get get ships in through there and dredging is not an option. Too narrow as well. There is or was a plan to put all the ferries at the current interislander site and develop it. It also has the space to expand. Again. Kiwirail’s idea of putting a terminal opposite their head office doesn’t deal with the rail freight, freight trucks, campers, and cars leaving and arriving every day. Simply not enough room. Are they going to have a crossing for rail freight across Aotea Quay? There’s another agenda here at play because the proposed terminal isn’t big enough to deal with the volumes. It doesn’t stack up. It’s smaller than the one they currently use. Anti competitive?