Wellington Scoop

A friendly forum, with applause, laughter, and some flyover vagueness

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by Lindsay Shelton
It was hard to get a direct answer about the flyover from some of the candidates at our Wellington.Scoop mayoral forum last night. But there was a standing-room-only audience (more than 300 people) at PreFab, and friendly responses from all of the eight wannabes.

Towards the end of the two hour event, Tim Jones asked a simple question: “Do you pledge not to support a vote for a flyover at the Basin Reserve.”

The question needed only a one-word – yes or no – answer. But only three made the pledge and said they’d never vote for a flyover: Justin Lester, Helene Ritchie, and Johnny Overton. (Later, Justin said he wanted a cut-and-cover tunnel at the Basin.)

The other five weren’t able to bring themselves to say they’d never vote for a flyover, though two of them didn’t give it much of a chance.

Keith Johnson: “Clearly a flyover is off consideration.”

Jo Coughlan: “There are zero chances of a flyover coming back, and we need to find another solution.”

And the others?

Nick Leggett pledged that he would support “a well designed infrastructure.” Without defining what the infrastructure could be. (Leaving the suspicion that it would look a lot like a flyover.)

Andy Foster was less specific. He said “I don’t think a flyover will be there,” and then asked if anyone in the audience had ideas for Basin roading.

Nicola Young said she’d been told about a new way of tunneling that would not obstruct traffic, and said “we must use innovative things so we don’t ruin the heart of the city.” Did this mean she would never vote for a flyover? She didn’t say.

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The forum, chaired by Max Rashbrooke, began with brief speeches from each candidate.

Justin earned the first warm applause of the night when he said that Wellington wouldn’t solve its traffic problems by building more roads. In Auckland, he said, no candidates were campaigning for more roads, because Auckland was proof that more roads equalled more congestion. He said he would be a mayor who was positively committed to local community and social issues. He would focus on the economy and the arts.

Helene said said she would fight against roads running through the Town Belt. She was applauded when she said “I oppose the runway extension.” The main drivers of her campaign were social justice and the environment. She wanted no more slush funds, and as one of her professional qualifications is in conflict management, this could be useful for the council which, she said, had a crisis in governance.

Jo defended the roading plans which are the centre of her campaign, and said big infrastructure projects would “make a difference” but cycling and walking had to be provided as well. She wanted her children to be able to stay in Wellington and find high-class jobs and bring up their families here. She listed the achievements of her economic development committee, and then said “I want to do more.”

Nick also wanted more roads. He agreed with Jo that Wellington “should be taking the new roads that are on offer”, but also improving public transport. He said the city could do better and he wanted to ensure “that everybody gets a better slice of what Wellington has to offer.” He wanted his new baby to grow up in a city with opportunities and jobs. He wanted to push resources out from the CBD and devolve decision-making back to neighbourhoods.

Andy too wanted to make Wellington – “a fantastic city” – better and said public transport, cycling, walking and urban design had to be progressed at the same time as new roads. More houses were needed too, specially for first-time buyers.

Johnny was concerned about the state of the nation and said a “localisation revolution” was needed to fix the mess.

Keith developed his theme that there’s been too much council spending in the CBD, at the expense of the wider city.

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Nicola said her policy of a rates freeze made her “the only candidate who doesn’t want to take more money from you.” She was concerned about Wellington becoming unaffordable, and people on fixed incomes having difficulty paying the annual rates increases. She said the council had far too many big projects, and shouldn’t be involved in corporate welfare. “I’ll freeze the rates, and get the Town Hall back into action.”

When questions were pulled out of a hat, Nicola’s question was “who is funding your campaign.” It was an easy answer for her: “Me and my family and friends.”

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Andy was asked which New Zealand mayor he most admired and why. His answer: Auckland’s Sir Dove-Myer Robinson, a mayor with long-term vision. “If he’d had his way, Auckland would be a workable city.”

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Keith was asked about the redevelopment of Frank Kitts Park. Some of the spending, he said, was unnecessary. But he supported the Chinese Garden as it would help the city’s relationship with Asia.

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Justin’s question from the hat: what did he think should be the maximum terms for the mayor and councillors? “You guys get to decide this,” he cheerfully told his audience. But he had decided that two terms as a councillor were enough for him, hence the fact that this year he’s standing only “for the mayoralty….or nothing.” This earned him more applause.

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Jo was asked if she was in favour of the runway extension and if so how should it be paid for. She knew that everyone knew what she would say. “I absolutely think we should be looking at this extension….I do think we should be looking at this extension.” But due process should be followed. And any council contribution should be proportionate to ownership.

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Helene’s question asked how as mayor she would reduce traffic congestion. “The mayor isn’t omnipotent,” she said, but her plans didn’t involve roads. She supported light rail (more applause) because it could be built for half the cost of roads and could carry three times as many people as buses. She also wanted more ferries as another way of reducing congestion on the roads.

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There was applause for Johnny after he said that Jack Ilott Green “should stay as it is…” and should be planted with fruit trees to become a fruit farm forest.

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Nick got a more complicated question. As the new Economic Development Agency was an arms-length council entity, how would citizens’ view be heard? He seemed to think that because the council was the shareholder, this would force it to take notice of community wishes. But for most his answer, he talked about the need for affordable housing.

Later, an audience member suggested that traffic congestion wasn’t a serious issue. This gave Jo the chance to insist that there are congestion problems “which we need to deal with.”. (“I don’t want to be waiting in the traffic.”) She said private cars would continue to be a viable option, and congestion would be alleviated by more roads and public transport.

Justin wanted people to have choices – cars, buses, light rail (more applause), bicycles or walking. He runs to work, but his wife drives because she has to take the children. Andy, too, wanted choices including public transport, biking and walking. And he wants to keep the city compact. Nick warned that the completion of the Kapiti Expressway and Transmission Gully would be bringing more cars into the city, so more roads were needed (no applause) but also bus lanes and bikes.

The candidates were asked how the council could get things done without disagreements. Johnny suggested an absolute dictatorship. (Applause and laughter.) Nick said the fact that a third of counciloors were challenging Celia didn’t indicate a good environment and he wanted party politics kept out of the council room. Helene said there had been confusion between the roles of councillors and staff. Jo felt she had done well leading the economic development committee for six years, but wanted “greater clarity on roading projects” and would lead this.

Justin agreed the council needed stronger leadership. “But I won’t bag Celia.” He wanted councillors to be professional, diligent and courteous. And he believed that leaders should be the servants of the citizens.

Andy felt most council decisions did not involve animosity or dissent, but the media concentrated on disagreements.

Nicola observed that there were too many leaks to the media from the council, all of which could be identified because the leakers’ names were included in the reports. There had been a loss of trust, and too much bullying.

I’d stopped taking notes in the last half hour of the meeting, but the questions kept coming and new issues emerged. There was more applause for Justin (definitely the most applauded candidate last night) when he said he wanted to bring CityOps back into the council, to save money, and improve services. He was speaking after a questioner challenged the candidates to fix the problem of the council’s plastic rubbish bags not being biodegradable. He pledged that this issue would be dealt with if he was mayor.

Helene had a different response to this challenge. “Bring back the dusties,” she suggested. Get rid of the plastic bags, and bring back metal rubbish tins. It was agreed that if she became mayor, she would have special responsibility for the dusties. (Helene and Johnny proved to be the most entertaining speakers of the evening.)

The forum ended with Max asking everyone to name a figure from history who they’d choose as a mentor if they became mayor.

Among the chosen mentors: Rasputin, Thomas Paine, Te Rauparaha, and Richard 111.

(Later tonight, I’ll add a comment to identify which candidate wants to be mentored by each of these historical figures.)

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  1. Don, 14. September 2016, 10:33

    I wonder how many of those applauding Justin Lester and his spending of other peoples’ money actually pay rates.

  2. Traveller, 14. September 2016, 11:20

    I felt that the genial two hours helped me sort out, for the first time, how I might number the candidates. (And who won’t get any numbers from me…)

  3. Marie, 14. September 2016, 11:49

    Congratulations on a well-run and interesting meeting, and the terrific turnout of voters.

  4. Chris Calvi-Freeman, 14. September 2016, 11:51

    Yes, everyone should try to find time to attend a Mayoral candidates meeting. They’re enlightening and entertaining to boot!

    Selecting the right mayor (and councillors) is vital for Wellington’s future, yet the number of residents who bother to vote is always low. For god’s sake, if you lack faith in them all or even dislike them all, take the trouble to vote for those you dislike least or else you may get the Mayor and councillors you despise the most!!

  5. Charles, 14. September 2016, 12:04

    Agree, a great event and no silly gimmicks like having less than a quarter of attendees “vote” and then sensationalise that into a front page story as the DomPost did after the Chamber debate last week. Wellington.Scoop has become the go to site for those interested in the issues in the election.

  6. Jersey, 14. September 2016, 12:16

    Its a real shame that we can only pick one. It just seems so unfair, they’re such a bunch of fabbo people. [No problem – you can pick as many as you want, by numbers.]

  7. Ros Fogel, 14. September 2016, 12:39

    I was there and am of he impression that those cheering for Lester were his group of supporters sitting in the front two rows. I’d hoped the forum might help me identify my top prospect – it didn’t.

  8. Trevor, 14. September 2016, 12:52

    I agree with Don re Lester. Even the dimmest uni student should realise their rent will go up so the landlord can meet the cost of rates increases brought about by candidates’ election bribes. Not to mention the impact on commercial ratepayers like pubs and restaurants.

  9. Trish, 14. September 2016, 13:17

    I was intrigued to hear only passing references to the council’s 10 year plan that was supported last year by most of the people now standing for mayor. Then they all agreed with the theory that if the Council adopts a policy of cutting expenditure, minimising rates and limiting growth, core costs including infrastructure maintenance will force rates up to unsustainable levels. The only way to save the ship was to “go for growth” with 10 projects starting with the runway extension, conference centre and film museum. It seems that no-one wants to remind voters of the course the city is on. Is it because they no longer believe it themselves, or because they have have given up trying to persuade anyone that it’s a good idea?

  10. Ben, 14. September 2016, 15:12

    Well done Wellington.Scoop. It was a well run meeting and hit the right notes between seriousness and fun. It was really helpful to be able to speak one on one to the candidates afterwards as well. They all gave their time generously.
    @ Ros Fogel: Great turn out and I was in the front row along with several other friends and wasn’t in a support Justin campaign or noticed people who were. I did notice a group of GoJo supporters who made a bit of noise further back. I think the audience (in the most part) were just responding to the candidates in the moment..

  11. Lindsay, 14. September 2016, 21:03

    Following up the last sentence of my report –
    Johnny suggested Rasputin,
    Keith said he admired Tom Paine,
    Nicola named Richard 111 (“a really good king: who centralised government for the first time, and set up a court to hear the grievances of the poor…”)
    and Justin nominated Te Rauparaha – “he led well, he defended his tribe’s interests skilfully, and he took no prisoners.”

  12. Ritchie Mccaw, 15. September 2016, 0:12

    Well done Wellington.Scoop. Great night. Leggett took the mystery question early and couldn’t answer it. It’s clearly between Lester and Coughlan.